Modern Arminians Versus Historical Arminians

I am glad to learn about the Historical Arminians who would not submit their definition of what Jesus accomplished at the cross to their compromise-laden brethren (the Modern Arminians).

According to the Historical Arminians (HA); “If you believe that Jesus died for everyone in the world/universe (universal redemption), then you must conclude that Jesus suffered for the people, but did NOT paid the price for anyone. It was a ‘potential’ redemption that could not possibly paid or redeemed anyone. Which is why the sinner has to ‘choose’ salvation to finish the last hurdle for salvation.”

Rephrased: HAs believed that Jesus suffered for everyone, but He did not die for anyone. For if He had died for anyone, than the ransom was paid and thus redemption was purchased, thus the one whose sins are paid for (by death on the cross) HAS to be saved; thus there can be no CHOICE because it was effectual. Therefore, the HAs are right (logically) in saying that Jesus merely suffered, not died for everyone, which procured a potential salvation which enables people to have a ‘choice’.

I (and Reformed believers) of course disagree with the content, since Arminians LIMIT the effect of redemption (according to the logic given by them, Jesus made 99.99% for salvation to be possible, and the last 0.01% has to be from the person’s choice, i.e. the way to salvation is broad but falls short of a 100% guarantee of salvation). Whereas, Reformed belief see that Jesus died and paid the sins for His elect, thus limiting the extent of salvation (i.e. the way to salvation is narrow but fully is given by God and Him alone – 100%, with no boasting from the repentant sinner at all!).

Based on Jesus’ own revelation on the pathway to salvation in the Gospels and from the dealings of God with the Israelites in the Old, it is clear that the extent of salvation should always be limited to the elect.

It is just really sad that many Arminians do not understand that “Limited Atonement” is a limitation on extent of salvation and that they themselves are limiting the gospel in its effect.

But now you know 🙂

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6 thoughts on “Modern Arminians Versus Historical Arminians

  1. There’s also the other troubling aspect that Arminians believe.. which is that salvation can be lost.

    If what the Arminians believe are true, then Christianity is no longer a faith based on God’s grace alone, but will almost be just like any other religion, where believers have to work at something to earn something (salvation, nirvana, etc). I have lived like that once; it’s exhausting.

  2. Yea… that’s the fundamental problem in their thinking. Even modern day Arminians (or Semi-Pelagians) in so called evangelical circles would want to posit that their decision is what guarantees God’s grace. Nevertheless, they never get a reasoning out when a person falls away from the faith they initially professes. The contradictions in their reasoning are circular.

    Well, at least most of them will pray like a Calvinist! 🙂 And will never deny that it is God who has effected the change in their lives while they were sinners. At least, most still have that practical outworking.

  3. Jerry Johnson, President of The Apologetics Group brought this out in his documentary Amazing Grace: The History and Theology of Calvinism. It was this issue that helped me to abandon the dark side of Arminianism and embrace Reformed Theology. If you have not seen this DVD go to http://www.ApologeticsGroup.com. It is a great work.

  4. Yes, I highly recommend the documentary! It really is a great work and not many people on our side of the world are even aware of it.

    Nevertheless, the youth in our fellowship are enjoying the really straight forward and interesting presentation of TULIP (they provide very solid contextualisation).

    Thanks for pointing that out 🙂

  5. Wayne Grudem asked an interesting question to Arminians in “Systematic Theology” — if a believer has lost his salvation, can he be saved again?

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